Thanks Chris for adding the issue. Imposter Syndrome often prevents me from doing the same.

More power to @ChrisAldrich A nanowrimo book on indieweb will be novel even if it isn't a novel.

I do hope the indieweb dinner includes some spam for the bots.

I'm still a little hazy on the plumbing details of all the bits and pieces of IndieWeb but I would have thought that if withKnown has a micropub endpoint and micro.blog can send to the WordPress endpoint, it ought to be able to send to WithKnown. But I'm probably exposing my ignorance. And maybe it is on the roadmap.

Right. I had seen @jeffperry's profile elsewhere, and typed it by hand, making it easier for others to find it. If I hadn't found it elsewhere, I would not have been able to do that. At least, until @cn reminded me of Search in Discover

"botcotting" is the possibly accidental neologism of the day. As my POSSEs to that particular silo are manual, I cannot use it. But I admire the heck out of it.

One of these geniuses fell down on the job: Parts 1 and 2 link to the same post. https://source.opennews.org/articles/what-do-you-do-3

13 October; now fixed.

It may well be a known bug, but as it isn't my site that is affected, I cannot investigate in any detail. I feel odd about reporting "issues" that don't affect me directly and that I have only witnessed and wondered about. So I just draw attention to them. I haven't seen similar behaviour on my child of Independent Publisher, I don't think.

If anyone is going to report it, I would think it would be you or James

A #followfriday for micro.blogs is certainly a good idea, but there's something odd about the way Jimmy Baum's site renders webmentions. I'm seeing Chris Aldrich's comment -- which brought me there in the first place -- as "Chris Aldrich mentioned this Article on amongthestones.com".

Shouldn't it be "Chris Aldrich mentioned this Article on boffosocko.com"?

I do wish people wouldn't do Medium's dirty work for it. John Naughton (and plenty of others) said what a great couple of pieces Dave Eggars had written in Medium, without saying that the work wasn't available without signing up for Medium. That may not be the worst thing in the world, but is it too much to hope that Dave Eggars will syndicate his own work to a place where anyone can enjoy it? Maybe eventually it will be in a book I will happily pay for.

I haven't used it,but I think Jared Sinclair's Stormcrow app is intended to build a tweetstorm from z bigger chunk of text, so it would be reasonably easy to use either before or after writing the blog post, if that's what you're doing. There's clearly a difference between text and tweetstorm, though, and, like @nitin, i would prefer to promote something I had written with selected tweets.

This anguishing about comments has been going a good long while. Fun to uncover this one.

John Naughton's bookmark about the Douglas Bader story ("... these f***ers were in Messerschmitts") reminds me of the equally good, and possibly equally apocryphal, one about the celebrated Antarctic explorer Sir Vivian Fuchs giving a lecture in Leeds.

In his article A Problem with Apple News Sites, Gabe says: "I don't wonder why indie blogs are dying any more. Link posts are killing them." I'm not sure it is blogs that are dying, but I do agree that it is why most "independent" news sites are dead, at least to me.

On your own site, you can at least distinguish between quick one liners, like this, and longer posts that are also replies. Of course, the recipient may not be able to see them, but that's just a question of implementation.

I cannot for the life of me explain why I like nvALT, but I do. Maybe it is a question of looking at some good explanations of how other people use it. I did that and stole some things that made my life easier.

I've been thinking about Rob's post and your notes on vHWC, and I agree that swapping the quiet writing hour for a question session makes a lot of sense. I've certainly learned a lot and look forward to the meetings.

One thing I'd like to suggest is a follow up on the idea of wiki pages for beginners. Someone was recently talking about a "for dummies" approach to setting up a web mention receiver, but from the context, I got the impression that they were dummies only about IndieWeb, not about PHP and servers and all the plumbing. Essentially Gen 1. A for dummies for that person would look very different to a for dummies for Gen 2 or Gen 3.

Would it be interesting if we picked a specific page and some of us (me, probably, although of course others too, and because it is a vHWC they could be anywhere) tried to do do a for Gen 2 dummies write up as a new version. Then at the vHWC you Gen 1people could take a look and explain in more detail, if necessary, or correct it, if wrong in some detail.

Does that sound worthwhile?

I don't actually have a good sense of which page might be best to start with, but it could be setting up to receive webmentions without, for now, going into the complexities of bridgy. So, for static sites, or CMSs like Grav.

I get an error when trying to compute the signature:

Jeremys-iMac:~ jeremycherfas$ HMAC=$(echo -n "/status/edit" | openssl dgst -binary -sha256 -hmac 'MY-API' | base64 -w0)
base64: invalid option -- w

How do I use signed HTML?

Chris Aldrich is way too kind, but it is the kind of kindness I need. A couple of quick responses:

I will indeed tweak the regex as you suggest. That behaviour by reading.am does rather spoil using it as a repository for links I want to go back to, but hey ho. On posting to Wayback Machine, I thought I saw a blog post from Reading that this was now done automatically for all saved posts. Getting things into my Known stream is on the horizon, but I will have to learn a lot more about how to use the web publish tools.

The webmention form is now looking good and working well, and I think I may even have got email notifications up and running, thanks once again to great help from the IndieWeb community. I'm not happy submitting anything to the original plugin, because it is so very different in scope and approach. But I am definitely thinking about creating a plugin of my own, which would also make it very easy to send the notification email. That's definitely on the cards. Putting it all on the wiki is next on my list.

And thanks again for being a guide and an encouragement.

I think we're on about the same level, Rob, Gen 2 with a smattering of Gen 1, and I agree with most of the points you make. A couple of observations:

The real time Q&A is tricky, although I have found that using the !tell command to a named individual is handy, once you have made some friends on IRC. Slack works well too. I tend to either review the IRC logs or catch up on Slack and if I see something on which I can maybe help, I dive in.

I also think that the wiki is at different times too verbose and too terse and links, but I have been reluctant to dive in, even though I know all changes are reversible. I wonder how hard it would be to do an alternative beginners version of the important pages, with links back and forth. Very easy, probably. There must be an easy way for one of the gurus to tell us which pages are visited most often.

I'm alone in a big city with no other indiewebbers that I'm aware of, but I try to join the virtual IWC and the people there have been super helpful. You might want to give that a try. Mind you, I have no idea what timezone you are in ... Most likely UK, but possibly not.

As for your final paragraph, all I can do is echo and say Amen.

.@schmarty Thanks to your terrific write-up I amazed myself and got #Audiogram working. Looking forward to trying it for real.

Really interesting write up from Marty McGuire about how he made use of WNYC's Audiogram to create audio snippets to syndicate to silos. Aside from the use of Docker -- which I don't understand in the slightest -- this seems like something I could manage. clammr was a complete bust for me. It'll be interesting to see how this works out for Marty, whether it brings new listeners.

Meanwhile, in California, pollution is coming from somewhere else entirely ... http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/08/pollution-from-illegal-pot-farms-is-way-worse-than-we...

@_MatthewDillon And, of course, you won't be surprised to learn that we got a lot of utterly misdirected flak for that.

Of course, and I wasn't suggesting for a minute that not being able to grok something is any reason to give up on it.

It was more my way of excusing myself from having so much difficulty understanding what was happening in the black box without opening it up to investigate fully.

In the meantime, my Mom uses FB (but not Twitter) and doesn't see much from me there because I don't cross-post much. And we're both OK with that.

Not sure whether you mean incoming webmentions or outgoing webmentions that aren't working, but for outgoing, there's no class="u-in-reply-to" on your post about Colin Walker's post.

@TamarHaspel True; just as bread, beer and wine aren't biotechnology.

@EarbudsPodCol Hey, thanks. Anything I can do to help?

@pazzobooks Thanks Tom. Not all history. Today, the future of wheat @meanlouise @/besslovejoy

@SnackBattlesPod Thanks for the mention; hope you're enjoying it.

This is all a bit tense, but with any luck there's a chance that this reply will soon show up, suitably styled, on the Mothership. When (if?) it does, there will be dancing in the streets.

Not going too well, is it?

@AgroBioDiverse @foodingreenwich How many boxes of micro greens before I could afford one of these http://modernfarmer.com/2017/07/aquaponics-home-modern-farmer-review-turnkey-aquaponics-systems-leve...

@foodingreenwich Wish I could read the price on those.

@LonelyBob I think it is good to know what goes on in those places, for better (preferably) or worse.

@nicolakidsbooks Can't wait. And we'll bring our crayons.

@LonelyBob Does this mean I should or should not watch Okja?

The Instagram-Atom feed is working perfectly. Better yet, it shows the individual images in a slideshow, or what ever IG calls it, separately. So happy.

Buona fortunate con la sperimentazione. Se stai a Roma, forse ci incontriamo per sapere più di indieweb?

@shosh_yossef Whatever platform you choose, you might also want to consider being more #indieweb http://indieweb.org

Thanks Chris. I'm using 0.9.9 The likes with stars are from Quill, those without are bookmarks from Known directly.

Rats! All links, here and at boffosocko, link back to the article, not out to NYT.

Flippin' useless, @withknown import.

I winnowed the stopping place down by searching for things, using that splitting by halves technique, and discovered that the Import had choked after 318 lines -- of 12058.

In reality, I ought to just give this up, but I'll have a quick look at the database and see if I can't screw that up.

For the sake of completeness, and as a necessary stage in my web plans, I am now going to attempt to extract my files from vaviblog.com and import them here.

We're both on the same version of #withknown, so it Should Just Work, right?

Disable Markdown, and nothing changes in the bookmarklet editing window. So there IS an issue.

> I pray that you've known this all along, you'll forgive my "indiesplain", and that I'm not catching the subtlety of your original post.

[That post is here](http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/why-the-indieweb).

Thanks to Chris Aldrich for reminding me of the bookmarklet, which I do sometimes use, and which I sometimes forget to use.

I do seem to vaguely remember that there was a bit of a problem with Markdown. So let me test that here, with some **bold** and *italics*.

Seconds later: As I feared ...

I probably have to abandon Markdown. But why should I have to? People have been asking for the ability to switch on a per post basis forever.

Of course one can do it by hand. Manual till it hurts and all that. But one shouldn't have to. I am not a developer so I don't know how hard it would be to give the New Post entry form the same Reply field that Status has. And logically, I would have thought a Post was more likely than a Status actually to be a reply.

Glorious listening. @nicolakidsbooks run, don't walk, to hear this. http://www.npr.org/2017/07/06/534316420/first-listen-offa-rex-the-queen-of-hearts

That is precisely what I am unhappy about @niederhuth Thanks for taking the time to read.

Nice link @mdesoucey You've seen this, I hope https://foodanthro.com/2017/07/05/cfp-industrial-french-food-and-its-critics/